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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://routenote.com/blog/prs-performing-rights-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-57839</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well unsure what to think, I am a  small Haidressing buisness in the North of Scotland in a small town, and have been disgusted at the fact PPL and PRS both want well over £100.00 from me for only being open 3 days a week working in my salon where I only play a radio for a minimum time. I really believe you should pay one or the other, or preferably nothing at all. This is another mager put off for us small buisness. This is also not just a one off payment for X amount of years this is a yearly amount which they expect from you year after year!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well unsure what to think, I am a  small Haidressing buisness in the North of Scotland in a small town, and have been disgusted at the fact PPL and PRS both want well over £100.00 from me for only being open 3 days a week working in my salon where I only play a radio for a minimum time. I really believe you should pay one or the other, or preferably nothing at all. This is another mager put off for us small buisness. This is also not just a one off payment for X amount of years this is a yearly amount which they expect from you year after year!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://routenote.com/blog/prs-performing-rights-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-52280</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;d like to get in contact with you then, beacuse they are trying to rob me blind right now</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Rushton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Rushton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 12:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with BrianD.  The main beef is there is a world of difference between those on this thread putting on gigs and therefore charging people to come see acts and companies playing radios in the background, trying to earn an honest living making other stuff but NOT making money from the radio being on.  Just a thought - the main tenure of the PRS argument seems to be those playing music in a public place so presumably that means people who sunbathe on beaches while they have the radio on and people with the misnamed personal stereos on their headphones on public transport etc.  I speak as a would-be composer - I do NOT agree with the PRS charging companies for having the radio/CD on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with BrianD.  The main beef is there is a world of difference between those on this thread putting on gigs and therefore charging people to come see acts and companies playing radios in the background, trying to earn an honest living making other stuff but NOT making money from the radio being on.  Just a thought &#8211; the main tenure of the PRS argument seems to be those playing music in a public place so presumably that means people who sunbathe on beaches while they have the radio on and people with the misnamed personal stereos on their headphones on public transport etc.  I speak as a would-be composer &#8211; I do NOT agree with the PRS charging companies for having the radio/CD on.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Bythell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Bythell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, but what about businesses that play classical music, composed largely by people who are centuries dead?  I resent paying my PRS fee, some of which goes to Bono, when I&#039;m playing Mozart in my shop.

Regarding your music, of course it is only right that you receive financial benefit for your work, but doesn&#039;t the production company that commissions you pay you?  And doesn&#039;t the broadcaster pay the PRS for the right to use it?  I know that part of my BBC License fee goes towards Radio 3s PRS payment, so should the PRS get a second bite at the cherry when I play music by dead composers in my second-hand book shop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, but what about businesses that play classical music, composed largely by people who are centuries dead?  I resent paying my PRS fee, some of which goes to Bono, when I&#8217;m playing Mozart in my shop.</p>
<p>Regarding your music, of course it is only right that you receive financial benefit for your work, but doesn&#8217;t the production company that commissions you pay you?  And doesn&#8217;t the broadcaster pay the PRS for the right to use it?  I know that part of my BBC License fee goes towards Radio 3s PRS payment, so should the PRS get a second bite at the cherry when I play music by dead composers in my second-hand book shop?</p>
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		<title>By: BrianD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a very small business with a couple of staff, we normally have a radio playing in the back warehouse - until a few weeks ago, a spotty arrogant, little know-it-all from PRS turned up, completely unannounced - &quot;you have to pay £85&quot; he said &quot;or we will take you to court&quot; - that was pretty much his opening line! I am not a broadcaster, I don&#039;t make money from having a radio on- I don&#039;t hold concerts or sell entertainment on the premises, I am merely playing publicly distributed content which presumably the radio station has paid PRS for -  needless to say, the PRS rep was evicted from our premises, we are not paying , but we are still playing - we would be fools to fall for this scam!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a very small business with a couple of staff, we normally have a radio playing in the back warehouse &#8211; until a few weeks ago, a spotty arrogant, little know-it-all from PRS turned up, completely unannounced &#8211; &#8220;you have to pay £85&#8243; he said &#8220;or we will take you to court&#8221; &#8211; that was pretty much his opening line! I am not a broadcaster, I don&#8217;t make money from having a radio on- I don&#8217;t hold concerts or sell entertainment on the premises, I am merely playing publicly distributed content which presumably the radio station has paid PRS for &#8211;  needless to say, the PRS rep was evicted from our premises, we are not paying , but we are still playing &#8211; we would be fools to fall for this scam!</p>
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		<title>By: DoctorDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>DoctorDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PRS paid it&#039;s highest paid director £425,000 in 2007. So it may be &quot;not for profit&quot; but that&#039;s money directly out of songwriters pockets for someone doing a job that could be done just as well for considerably less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PRS paid it&#8217;s highest paid director £425,000 in 2007. So it may be &#8220;not for profit&#8221; but that&#8217;s money directly out of songwriters pockets for someone doing a job that could be done just as well for considerably less.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like most people I do object to paying for these services which we have been doing for the last year and is up for renewal now - hence my google to see how legal they are.  Last year I argued with PRS that they could not possibly tell who to give the monies to as they could not tell which station a radio was tuned to, I didn&#039;t get a reply to this, just more pressure to sign up and pay. Like most people I believe that music artists should receive money for their efforts as they should be paid for their efforts, but fairly. 
 
I suspect at the moment the bigger artists receive bigger amounts and the smaller artists receive a pittance based on record sales rather than listening figures.  Who knows whther we are listening to Radio One, two, Three or Four?  These stations each play a totally different range of music.

I think it would be fairer to increase the levy on radio stations as in my experience, being commercial businesses who sell advertising,they have an accurate idea of how many listeners they have at any time and where those listeners are listening from, ie work or home.  There are stations who directly target people at work&gt;

If the PRS was a government organisation, they would hopefully be subject to severe cutbacks under the quango reduction program.

It would be interesting to know how many big companies are signed up to PRS and more mportantly whether anyone has successfully challenged them in court?  I really can&#039;t see this standing up in court, Your honour, we wqant to charge the defendant for listiening to unknown tracks from which we will deduct a percentage and then pay artists , the identity of which we will not disclose.

Common sense - where has it gone, welcome to Rip Off Britain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like most people I do object to paying for these services which we have been doing for the last year and is up for renewal now &#8211; hence my google to see how legal they are.  Last year I argued with PRS that they could not possibly tell who to give the monies to as they could not tell which station a radio was tuned to, I didn&#8217;t get a reply to this, just more pressure to sign up and pay. Like most people I believe that music artists should receive money for their efforts as they should be paid for their efforts, but fairly. </p>
<p>I suspect at the moment the bigger artists receive bigger amounts and the smaller artists receive a pittance based on record sales rather than listening figures.  Who knows whther we are listening to Radio One, two, Three or Four?  These stations each play a totally different range of music.</p>
<p>I think it would be fairer to increase the levy on radio stations as in my experience, being commercial businesses who sell advertising,they have an accurate idea of how many listeners they have at any time and where those listeners are listening from, ie work or home.  There are stations who directly target people at work&gt;</p>
<p>If the PRS was a government organisation, they would hopefully be subject to severe cutbacks under the quango reduction program.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to know how many big companies are signed up to PRS and more mportantly whether anyone has successfully challenged them in court?  I really can&#8217;t see this standing up in court, Your honour, we wqant to charge the defendant for listiening to unknown tracks from which we will deduct a percentage and then pay artists , the identity of which we will not disclose.</p>
<p>Common sense &#8211; where has it gone, welcome to Rip Off Britain!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Coley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Coley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 12:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PRS 
How I see it.

OK an artist creates a song / music etc. The artist desperately wants radio stations to air the song / music so that it will be advertised and the general public can hear it; so that they then go out and buy the cd with 5 or more other tracks on it and traditionally it has been like that for years.

All of a sudden from nowhere the PRS who proclaims to be in favour of the artist start asking for money from small businesses and are using the public performance angle as a crowbar to extract money. 
So what have they done?
 Levied a charge against businesses for playing a radio which has resulted in businesses removing radios from their premises because we do not want to pay to listen to a radio which in most cases is just back ground music. 

So now the artist does not get heard in the places where people spend most of their time. So the prospective buyer does not hear the music so doesn’t know it exists so it never gets sold.

I think that the radio stations should now charge the artist for advertising their records particularly the most affluent of them, let’s see how long the PRS lasts then, because all this does is push people toward the inevitable alternatives of paying for music like the internet burning CDs even if it is of lesser quality.
Most up and coming artist would give their right arm to be on the radio and be heard by millions.

I have banned the playing of radios at my company in direct response to the existence of the PRS taking these draconian methods. This action has had no effect on production or the well being of my staff despite the PRS using selling tactics like: “Production will decrease”, and “Workers are more likely to take time off”, trying to sell the use of a radio in commercial premises so that they can impose a levy for it. 
My wife has ceased using a radio in her salon for the same reasons.

I say get rid of the PRS it’s not needed and it is detrimental to the music business as a whole. The only people who want it are ‘has-beens’, greedy bastards, and PRS directors who want paying a disproportionate amount of money for what they do or don’t do.
Coley</description>
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How I see it.</p>
<p>OK an artist creates a song / music etc. The artist desperately wants radio stations to air the song / music so that it will be advertised and the general public can hear it; so that they then go out and buy the cd with 5 or more other tracks on it and traditionally it has been like that for years.</p>
<p>All of a sudden from nowhere the PRS who proclaims to be in favour of the artist start asking for money from small businesses and are using the public performance angle as a crowbar to extract money.<br />
So what have they done?<br />
 Levied a charge against businesses for playing a radio which has resulted in businesses removing radios from their premises because we do not want to pay to listen to a radio which in most cases is just back ground music. </p>
<p>So now the artist does not get heard in the places where people spend most of their time. So the prospective buyer does not hear the music so doesn’t know it exists so it never gets sold.</p>
<p>I think that the radio stations should now charge the artist for advertising their records particularly the most affluent of them, let’s see how long the PRS lasts then, because all this does is push people toward the inevitable alternatives of paying for music like the internet burning CDs even if it is of lesser quality.<br />
Most up and coming artist would give their right arm to be on the radio and be heard by millions.</p>
<p>I have banned the playing of radios at my company in direct response to the existence of the PRS taking these draconian methods. This action has had no effect on production or the well being of my staff despite the PRS using selling tactics like: “Production will decrease”, and “Workers are more likely to take time off”, trying to sell the use of a radio in commercial premises so that they can impose a levy for it.<br />
My wife has ceased using a radio in her salon for the same reasons.</p>
<p>I say get rid of the PRS it’s not needed and it is detrimental to the music business as a whole. The only people who want it are ‘has-beens’, greedy bastards, and PRS directors who want paying a disproportionate amount of money for what they do or don’t do.<br />
Coley</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 10:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They just phoned my office in a bullying way, claiming they are the law. What a load of rubbish.</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan Kean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Kean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 12:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad that there are so many people with financial interests in music.  I&#039;m glad they are feeding themselves and getting through life.  The PRS are a convinient way for citizens and the like to make financial contributions to the music industry&#039;s admin staff.  If you have some spare change then please contribute.  Give more than you recieve and the industry will flourish.  In saying all of the above if you are short of money, then it&#039;s maybe not very wise to pay a membership fee or licience fee to the PRS.  Through my experience with them they have enough trouble looking after their own interests without looking after the interests of those they claim to serve.
Music is art and not business.   All the lawyers / collection agencies / record companies / publishing houses / PR companies etc create this beautiful illusion that there is somehow profit in music.  A pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.  And I salute everyone for taking the time to value something that is essentially worthless.  Music will always dip your pocket and enrich your soul.  And to the aspiring songwriter.  You live and work from the goodwill and charity of others.  There is nothing owed to you and no one is counting.   We pretend it is so, so that the people may look to you like a champion amongst them and just maybe give them a little hope on the way.  Keep making music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that there are so many people with financial interests in music.  I&#8217;m glad they are feeding themselves and getting through life.  The PRS are a convinient way for citizens and the like to make financial contributions to the music industry&#8217;s admin staff.  If you have some spare change then please contribute.  Give more than you recieve and the industry will flourish.  In saying all of the above if you are short of money, then it&#8217;s maybe not very wise to pay a membership fee or licience fee to the PRS.  Through my experience with them they have enough trouble looking after their own interests without looking after the interests of those they claim to serve.<br />
Music is art and not business.   All the lawyers / collection agencies / record companies / publishing houses / PR companies etc create this beautiful illusion that there is somehow profit in music.  A pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.  And I salute everyone for taking the time to value something that is essentially worthless.  Music will always dip your pocket and enrich your soul.  And to the aspiring songwriter.  You live and work from the goodwill and charity of others.  There is nothing owed to you and no one is counting.   We pretend it is so, so that the people may look to you like a champion amongst them and just maybe give them a little hope on the way.  Keep making music.</p>
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