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		<title>By: Wesley McCants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wesley McCants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We, the Macbrothers, Inc., released two songs at Tunecore, Priscilla &amp; Egypt, over a year ago. We haven&#039;t made a red cent on either song since the release date at the beginning of February 2011. In all the distribution outlets Tunecore is affiliated with you would believe confidently that one individual from the whole of the worldwide web would have bought a copy of one of the two inexpensive released songs: at least. Not so. Zilch. This smells of manipulation or favoritism on the part of Tunecore and whoever else is involved. We plan to elicit the succor of the U.S. Justice Department about the moral integrity of this online service for songwriters and musicians. I don&#039;t believe Tunecore is as forthright as it boasts itself to be. In contrast, it doesn&#039;t appear in the forefront to be shady, but when one plus one doesn&#039;t equal two, as the Principia Mathematica teaches us, then one needs to check at the backdoor to find out what&#039;s going on. 

Wesley McCants
Member of BMI
Disabled Vietnam Veteran

Post Script: How can a company swindle a disabled veteran and sleep at night?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We, the Macbrothers, Inc., released two songs at Tunecore, Priscilla &amp; Egypt, over a year ago. We haven&#8217;t made a red cent on either song since the release date at the beginning of February 2011. In all the distribution outlets Tunecore is affiliated with you would believe confidently that one individual from the whole of the worldwide web would have bought a copy of one of the two inexpensive released songs: at least. Not so. Zilch. This smells of manipulation or favoritism on the part of Tunecore and whoever else is involved. We plan to elicit the succor of the U.S. Justice Department about the moral integrity of this online service for songwriters and musicians. I don&#8217;t believe Tunecore is as forthright as it boasts itself to be. In contrast, it doesn&#8217;t appear in the forefront to be shady, but when one plus one doesn&#8217;t equal two, as the Principia Mathematica teaches us, then one needs to check at the backdoor to find out what&#8217;s going on. </p>
<p>Wesley McCants<br />
Member of BMI<br />
Disabled Vietnam Veteran</p>
<p>Post Script: How can a company swindle a disabled veteran and sleep at night?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Levi</title>
		<link>http://routenote.com/blog/digital-music-distributors-compared-again/comment-page-1/#comment-69335</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Levi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 07:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zimbalam is clearly scamming people using automated scams and charging them for flaws to take down their albums, 

ive been reading and asking around about EU distributors, i found 4 artists who where ripped of by Zimbalam, 3 where automated scams, their albums went online with mismatched titles., the 4th one was a typo in no way the automated system could of been responsible since their receipts clearly show the title.

the 4th scam exposes deliberate tampering with their system, manually!

 Zimbalam normally sends PDF receipts verifying titles of the album when you pay along with contract via email and paypal, once the album is approved, the artists gets a second email alerting that it was uploaded.

Zimbalam sent an email receipt to this one artists, yet after a period of 45 days of waiting the artists goes to see why they never got a approval email to find out it is in stores on itunes etc, 

The Artists contacts Zimbalam to notify them of the title typo, Zimbalam instead responds in an email claiming the whole process was rejected by their automated system because the art work was the wrong resolution,  but how can it of been rejected before uploaded yet online, so the artists responds to alert them its already uploaded, Zimbalam responds with a email error, can not reply to email etc.

Artists sends another email to Zimbalam to alert them but they instead offer two choices, change artwork or pay to pull Album.

this is clearly a scam and Zimbalam sounds arrogant about dealing with anything wrong on their part, i say this company is a fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zimbalam is clearly scamming people using automated scams and charging them for flaws to take down their albums, </p>
<p>ive been reading and asking around about EU distributors, i found 4 artists who where ripped of by Zimbalam, 3 where automated scams, their albums went online with mismatched titles., the 4th one was a typo in no way the automated system could of been responsible since their receipts clearly show the title.</p>
<p>the 4th scam exposes deliberate tampering with their system, manually!</p>
<p> Zimbalam normally sends PDF receipts verifying titles of the album when you pay along with contract via email and paypal, once the album is approved, the artists gets a second email alerting that it was uploaded.</p>
<p>Zimbalam sent an email receipt to this one artists, yet after a period of 45 days of waiting the artists goes to see why they never got a approval email to find out it is in stores on itunes etc, </p>
<p>The Artists contacts Zimbalam to notify them of the title typo, Zimbalam instead responds in an email claiming the whole process was rejected by their automated system because the art work was the wrong resolution,  but how can it of been rejected before uploaded yet online, so the artists responds to alert them its already uploaded, Zimbalam responds with a email error, can not reply to email etc.</p>
<p>Artists sends another email to Zimbalam to alert them but they instead offer two choices, change artwork or pay to pull Album.</p>
<p>this is clearly a scam and Zimbalam sounds arrogant about dealing with anything wrong on their part, i say this company is a fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Matty J Richards</title>
		<link>http://routenote.com/blog/digital-music-distributors-compared-again/comment-page-1/#comment-46809</link>
		<dc:creator>Matty J Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all depends on where you want to go with your music.

I&#039;m more interested in getting music on TV, in ads or programmes, or in movies, than I am in topping the charts. A combination of Routenote, Sentric and Bandcamp is my ideal setup.

That said, I&#039;m part of two other more commercially viable projects and it has been left up to me to handle distribution... I&#039;ll most likely still use Routenote. There&#039;s no bullcrap and none of the raging egoism that you find with other distributors such as Tunecore and Ditto.

They distribute to fewer stores, yes, but most of us only really need iTunes, Amazon and Spotify.

The only thing I don&#039;t about like about Routenote is the purple colour scheme!! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all depends on where you want to go with your music.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more interested in getting music on TV, in ads or programmes, or in movies, than I am in topping the charts. A combination of Routenote, Sentric and Bandcamp is my ideal setup.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m part of two other more commercially viable projects and it has been left up to me to handle distribution&#8230; I&#8217;ll most likely still use Routenote. There&#8217;s no bullcrap and none of the raging egoism that you find with other distributors such as Tunecore and Ditto.</p>
<p>They distribute to fewer stores, yes, but most of us only really need iTunes, Amazon and Spotify.</p>
<p>The only thing I don&#8217;t about like about Routenote is the purple colour scheme!! <img src='http://routenote.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all!,

I must say this has been a very interesting blog to read including the stirr between everyone writing comments!

What I think would be a good (and fair) idea is for people who have their work distributed to write a comment below stating what their ideal distributor would be and why (and keep it sensible and realistic!) as this way, you might find that some distributors might take the points into consideration! 

Give it a try!

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all!,</p>
<p>I must say this has been a very interesting blog to read including the stirr between everyone writing comments!</p>
<p>What I think would be a good (and fair) idea is for people who have their work distributed to write a comment below stating what their ideal distributor would be and why (and keep it sensible and realistic!) as this way, you might find that some distributors might take the points into consideration! </p>
<p>Give it a try!</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: The Ultimate Digital Music Distribution Round-Up (Part Trois) - Buzzsonic.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ultimate Digital Music Distribution Round-Up (Part Trois) - Buzzsonic.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] iTunes? (Fool.com June 2010) DOJ questioning Apple&#8217;s hold on digital music (ZDNet May 2010) Digital Music Distributors Compared (again) Routenote Nov 2009) Music Retail:The Rise of Digital (Mint.com Nov 2009) How To Get Your Music Into [...]</description>
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<p>[...] iTunes? (Fool.com June 2010) DOJ questioning Apple&#8217;s hold on digital music (ZDNet May 2010) Digital Music Distributors Compared (again) Routenote Nov 2009) Music Retail:The Rise of Digital (Mint.com Nov 2009) How To Get Your Music Into [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dvae</title>
		<link>http://routenote.com/blog/digital-music-distributors-compared-again/comment-page-1/#comment-25479</link>
		<dc:creator>Dvae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of people have mentioned BandCamp above, but while they do offer a great deal it&#039;s let down by their website. Every song you upload is available for preview in their player, but the music isn&#039;t streamed it&#039;s DOWNLOADED! Your listeners only have to copy the mp3s from their cache folder. It&#039;s not entirely obvious I admit, but the bright yellow download progress bar incorporated into the player is a bit of a give away. 

The Soundcloud and FaceBook players are just the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of people have mentioned BandCamp above, but while they do offer a great deal it&#8217;s let down by their website. Every song you upload is available for preview in their player, but the music isn&#8217;t streamed it&#8217;s DOWNLOADED! Your listeners only have to copy the mp3s from their cache folder. It&#8217;s not entirely obvious I admit, but the bright yellow download progress bar incorporated into the player is a bit of a give away. </p>
<p>The Soundcloud and FaceBook players are just the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Finchy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 21:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kiden Its great that you have looked at our service and then finally decided to go with RouteNote. RouteNote today has just launched a new premium model, which we hope will appeal to all types of artists worldwide. Our Free version by which the artist can upload and retain 90% of revenues will never go away, but with the new additional payment model the choice is completely yours. There are no hidden fees like a lot of distributors and what you see is what you get. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kiden Its great that you have looked at our service and then finally decided to go with RouteNote. RouteNote today has just launched a new premium model, which we hope will appeal to all types of artists worldwide. Our Free version by which the artist can upload and retain 90% of revenues will never go away, but with the new additional payment model the choice is completely yours. There are no hidden fees like a lot of distributors and what you see is what you get.</p>
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		<title>By: kiden</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am really interested in RouteNote after reading this.  Currently have 2 albums on CDBaby, but now need to release 2 singles.
Zimbalam looked all set to be what we wanted and we all thought it was great (I was going to use it til this latest bit of research I&#039;m doing).  What worries me is this: will RouteNote go the same way and turn the tables on us once we&#039;ve signed up?
Apologies if this sounds negative, just don&#039;t want to get burned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am really interested in RouteNote after reading this.  Currently have 2 albums on CDBaby, but now need to release 2 singles.<br />
Zimbalam looked all set to be what we wanted and we all thought it was great (I was going to use it til this latest bit of research I&#8217;m doing).  What worries me is this: will RouteNote go the same way and turn the tables on us once we&#8217;ve signed up?<br />
Apologies if this sounds negative, just don&#8217;t want to get burned!</p>
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		<title>By: doozer</title>
		<link>http://routenote.com/blog/digital-music-distributors-compared-again/comment-page-1/#comment-21608</link>
		<dc:creator>doozer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh also about &#039;widgets&#039; etc. I use Reverbnation for ALL my widget needs, even on myspace (using RN&#039;s player) because they actually pay for streams (a small amount but it adds up). Also it&#039;s just ONE place to control for uploads/promotion.

I see routenote (or an &#039;ideal&#039; distributor) being the most transparent and painless way to iTunes/Amazon/Spotify without sending me into the red and without expecting them to promote me (or other artists on the service) for some abitrary fee that may or may not be worthwhile.

Leave Routenote to do what they focus on, they have a good idea here on what a lot of &#039;true&#039; indies want. We can take care of a lot of promotion/widgets/website stuff ourself - we just need that foot in the door to itunes at as good a price as possible.

And as was stated there&#039;s really little need for Routenote to provide widgets etc when many sites already do it well (for free). Especially if it mean they started adding on mysterious &#039;admin fees&#039; which would put them right back down the list, lost in the mire again.

If routenote is above board (and I&#039;ll be googling as much as I can in the next few days) then I think they could be what CD Baby USED to be for physical CDs (but for pure Digital only), that is they understand what is needed and don&#039;t try and glam up their package to inflate prices for things that 9/10 make no difference to sales in the real world.

We are the labels now, and we bring in the guys who can do the slickest jobs in each area - none can do &#039;all&#039; perfectly, it&#039;s up to us to hand pick the best in each category and for distribution to the places that matter - I can&#039;t fault routenote if everything is as good as it seems from looking around the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh also about &#8216;widgets&#8217; etc. I use Reverbnation for ALL my widget needs, even on myspace (using RN&#8217;s player) because they actually pay for streams (a small amount but it adds up). Also it&#8217;s just ONE place to control for uploads/promotion.</p>
<p>I see routenote (or an &#8216;ideal&#8217; distributor) being the most transparent and painless way to iTunes/Amazon/Spotify without sending me into the red and without expecting them to promote me (or other artists on the service) for some abitrary fee that may or may not be worthwhile.</p>
<p>Leave Routenote to do what they focus on, they have a good idea here on what a lot of &#8216;true&#8217; indies want. We can take care of a lot of promotion/widgets/website stuff ourself &#8211; we just need that foot in the door to itunes at as good a price as possible.</p>
<p>And as was stated there&#8217;s really little need for Routenote to provide widgets etc when many sites already do it well (for free). Especially if it mean they started adding on mysterious &#8216;admin fees&#8217; which would put them right back down the list, lost in the mire again.</p>
<p>If routenote is above board (and I&#8217;ll be googling as much as I can in the next few days) then I think they could be what CD Baby USED to be for physical CDs (but for pure Digital only), that is they understand what is needed and don&#8217;t try and glam up their package to inflate prices for things that 9/10 make no difference to sales in the real world.</p>
<p>We are the labels now, and we bring in the guys who can do the slickest jobs in each area &#8211; none can do &#8216;all&#8217; perfectly, it&#8217;s up to us to hand pick the best in each category and for distribution to the places that matter &#8211; I can&#8217;t fault routenote if everything is as good as it seems from looking around the site.</p>
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		<title>By: doozer</title>
		<link>http://routenote.com/blog/digital-music-distributors-compared-again/comment-page-1/#comment-21607</link>
		<dc:creator>doozer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one am very interested in Routenotes &#039;pricing&#039; and ideas.

I&#039;ve been with CDBaby (before the ill fated &#039;re-launch&#039; completely ruined all confidence I had in them), I moved to Zimbalam - who had been above board, clear and fair - one off fee as stated above - for a while.

Today I found out (quite accidentally) that Zimbalam have now changed to the annual fee structure (and 100% profit no cut). I do not like this.

The guy further up saying &#039;you shouldn&#039;t be selling music if you can&#039;t sell more than 100 tracks a year&#039;... where do you get off?

Ok an album with 10+ tracks, maybe if you are lucky in this climate you will sell 50 albums, maybe even 100 and easily make back your yearly fee... but what about SINGLES??? Singles that die off, that you still want on iTunes/Amazon for years but know they are more to complete your catalogue for new fans rather than &#039;big money makers&#039;... if you had say 20 singles out, after five years you would be paying upkeep on those (even though they are no longer selling really) of £100 (zimbalam) or worse with places like Tunecore etc.

It&#039;s very shortsighted to get annoyed at a 10% &#039;cut&#039; and think that&#039;s somehow worse than being annually fleeced regardless of your sales. 10% cut on actual sales is as fair as it gets! You don&#039;t sell then you don&#039;t pay. If you really sold so many hundreds of thousands that you ended up paying Routenote (etc) say, £10k in commision so what, you&#039;ve just MADE £90k!

The other side is when you sell little, and you end up paying every last bit of profit back to the distributor just to keep your releases &#039;alive&#039; while you spend half a year or more recording a new album that will hopefully make more.

It&#039;s getting to the point that I don&#039;t trust any distributor as I can&#039;t work out why they would care about artists, Zimbalam has just proved this to me, I thought they were different but they&#039;ve obviously seen how to increase their own profits while &#039;taking&#039; from those who can least afford it (i.e not the big sellers who don&#039;t care one way or the other, nor should as they laughing all the way to the bank).

Routenote, I&#039;m going to try out with a single perhaps in the near future. It&#039;s very much about the ability to &#039;release&#039; without worrying about an annual fee and being able to afford to creatively release (single tracks, 2 track singles, EPs and albums) without only being able to release 12+ track albums for fear of &#039;breaking even&#039;.

As an aside, the vast majority of my sales in the past have come firstly via iTunes (of course) then via Amazon... everything after that is barely worth mentioning. I&#039;m on spotify and have seen NOTHING in revenue from that though I treat it more as marketing to be on there... it&#039;s good to be on it, but it will never make you money - i&#039;m glad Routenote have spotify but I would use it optionally for different releases (I would perhaps NOT release entire albums to Spotify and try and get as much money back via iTunes/Amazon (routenote) and directly via Bandcamp).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one am very interested in Routenotes &#8216;pricing&#8217; and ideas.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been with CDBaby (before the ill fated &#8216;re-launch&#8217; completely ruined all confidence I had in them), I moved to Zimbalam &#8211; who had been above board, clear and fair &#8211; one off fee as stated above &#8211; for a while.</p>
<p>Today I found out (quite accidentally) that Zimbalam have now changed to the annual fee structure (and 100% profit no cut). I do not like this.</p>
<p>The guy further up saying &#8216;you shouldn&#8217;t be selling music if you can&#8217;t sell more than 100 tracks a year&#8217;&#8230; where do you get off?</p>
<p>Ok an album with 10+ tracks, maybe if you are lucky in this climate you will sell 50 albums, maybe even 100 and easily make back your yearly fee&#8230; but what about SINGLES??? Singles that die off, that you still want on iTunes/Amazon for years but know they are more to complete your catalogue for new fans rather than &#8216;big money makers&#8217;&#8230; if you had say 20 singles out, after five years you would be paying upkeep on those (even though they are no longer selling really) of £100 (zimbalam) or worse with places like Tunecore etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very shortsighted to get annoyed at a 10% &#8216;cut&#8217; and think that&#8217;s somehow worse than being annually fleeced regardless of your sales. 10% cut on actual sales is as fair as it gets! You don&#8217;t sell then you don&#8217;t pay. If you really sold so many hundreds of thousands that you ended up paying Routenote (etc) say, £10k in commision so what, you&#8217;ve just MADE £90k!</p>
<p>The other side is when you sell little, and you end up paying every last bit of profit back to the distributor just to keep your releases &#8216;alive&#8217; while you spend half a year or more recording a new album that will hopefully make more.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s getting to the point that I don&#8217;t trust any distributor as I can&#8217;t work out why they would care about artists, Zimbalam has just proved this to me, I thought they were different but they&#8217;ve obviously seen how to increase their own profits while &#8216;taking&#8217; from those who can least afford it (i.e not the big sellers who don&#8217;t care one way or the other, nor should as they laughing all the way to the bank).</p>
<p>Routenote, I&#8217;m going to try out with a single perhaps in the near future. It&#8217;s very much about the ability to &#8216;release&#8217; without worrying about an annual fee and being able to afford to creatively release (single tracks, 2 track singles, EPs and albums) without only being able to release 12+ track albums for fear of &#8216;breaking even&#8217;.</p>
<p>As an aside, the vast majority of my sales in the past have come firstly via iTunes (of course) then via Amazon&#8230; everything after that is barely worth mentioning. I&#8217;m on spotify and have seen NOTHING in revenue from that though I treat it more as marketing to be on there&#8230; it&#8217;s good to be on it, but it will never make you money &#8211; i&#8217;m glad Routenote have spotify but I would use it optionally for different releases (I would perhaps NOT release entire albums to Spotify and try and get as much money back via iTunes/Amazon (routenote) and directly via Bandcamp).</p>
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